True and not true, what's true is that with college totals you will never get the number. I've used Edward for the last 3 years and this year by far was the worst year for trying to get the number, it was impossible plain and simple!
While he says he finished the season up 40 units, well this is true ONLY for him, but not for us. I finished the season + right around 2 units. Try sitting by your computer all season waiting for Edward's count down to hit zero to find out at the end of 5 months that you only made 2 units and spent $750 on his service. Trust me, I tried everything under the sun to get the #, the only place I was beating to the # cut me off after about 1 week. His service is not worth it. (For college totals)
As far as him being a great capper, well i think he's a hell of a nice guy, i've talked to him many times and even talked to him in person at some of the local basketball games (LB State, Cal State Northridge, Irvine, etc.)
Take this for what it's worth, but I am 99% sure that the college totals come from some other source, and that's one of the reasons we CAN NOT get the #!!!! The WNBA is something new from Edward, in the past it was always (only) NCAA football (half of the season, until college hopps started) and NCAA basketball. I hope for you guys, he can do well!
To speak on "getting kicked out of every book you play at" well +18 units isn't going to get you kicked out of anywhere! The worst thing that happened to me at Bookmaker was they cut my max from $1000 to $500 on college totals and that was after about 2 months or so and being up about $20k. Your local book might not take a liking to you winning but trust me a place like The Greek or Bookmaker doesn't give a shit about 20 units on a season.
GL with the WNBA.
I agree that Ed is a very good handicapper. Do not expect to get the numbers that he posts. If you play his plays the second that he releases his plays, you may get his number 50% of the time. It is very stressful and time consuming to try to play his plays as he releases them.
If you are willing to play his plays at less than optimum numbers, the RAS is for you. You will come out ahead if you only play the plays Ed releases.
I would recommend a split package deal if you are not going to try to get the numbers that RAS releases.
It will cost you a few winners over the season.
He is great in November and December in NCAA hoops.
If you are willing to play his plays at less than optimum numbers, the RAS is for you. You will come out ahead if you only play the plays Ed releases.
I would recommend a split package deal if you are not going to try to get the numbers that RAS releases.
It will cost you a few winners over the season.
He is great in November and December in NCAA hoops.
Because of the success of the CBB totals, (just under 60% past two years, 400+ plays) it did become extremely competitive to place wagers at our release line or better last college basketball season. This is nothing different that what some other highly successful handicappers have experienced (Dr Bob, etc.) but it is magnified by the smaller and more volatile CBB totals market.
However, to say that it is impossible, or that you will "never" get the numbers is not a fair statement. In a survey after the season, 57% of subscribers said they were able to get the release line at least half of the time.
Prior to last season, we used to release plays all at once via e-mail and text message only, which led to some users getting the plays before others due to e-mail and text delays by different service providers. We now use a web countdown release page that ensures reliable and equal access to all, and plays are released in 2-3 minute intervals so subscribers can be well prepared for each release.
Contrary to rumors among some forums, the lines we use for release and grading are 100% widely available at time of release and this can be verified by looking at the line history and release time for any play. In fact we always use a conservative number. If we are playing under, and 3 books have 155, and 4 books have 155.5, we will use the 155.
I do agree that it can be time consuming to follow the service and to optimize your results you will need to experiment with multiple sportsbooks and betting methods (phone, online, etc.). But when you consider the +EV on 59-60% wagers, even just a 50% chance of getting the line is well worth the price of a subscription for anyone betting over $300 a game.
As for the HoopsEdge WNBA service, there are only 13 teams which makes the lines easier to make for oddsmakers. More sportsbooks post lines, the market is much less volatile, and you will not run into a lot of the same problems you might with betting CBB totals.
Edward
However, to say that it is impossible, or that you will "never" get the numbers is not a fair statement. In a survey after the season, 57% of subscribers said they were able to get the release line at least half of the time.
Prior to last season, we used to release plays all at once via e-mail and text message only, which led to some users getting the plays before others due to e-mail and text delays by different service providers. We now use a web countdown release page that ensures reliable and equal access to all, and plays are released in 2-3 minute intervals so subscribers can be well prepared for each release.
Contrary to rumors among some forums, the lines we use for release and grading are 100% widely available at time of release and this can be verified by looking at the line history and release time for any play. In fact we always use a conservative number. If we are playing under, and 3 books have 155, and 4 books have 155.5, we will use the 155.
I do agree that it can be time consuming to follow the service and to optimize your results you will need to experiment with multiple sportsbooks and betting methods (phone, online, etc.). But when you consider the +EV on 59-60% wagers, even just a 50% chance of getting the line is well worth the price of a subscription for anyone betting over $300 a game.
As for the HoopsEdge WNBA service, there are only 13 teams which makes the lines easier to make for oddsmakers. More sportsbooks post lines, the market is much less volatile, and you will not run into a lot of the same problems you might with betting CBB totals.
Edward
I hate to break the news, but when you follow a handicapper that actually WINS, you are going to have to deal with quick line movement. In fact, line movement is one of the most conclusive forms of evidence that a handicapper is successful. Would you rather follow a handicapper who's lines sat still all day and LOST?
Think about it. If a handicapper hits anything close to 60% over the long term (basically unheard of other than CBB totals or other small market sports) you cannot expect the market to sit still after a release. It is almost like free money just sitting there and it becomes a race to see who can get to it first.
Nobody can question the fact that RAS/Ed is an outstanding basketball totals capper. Nobody is questioning the record or the lines he posts. The fact remains that it mean very little to the gambler who does not get his lines. This is what was posted above:
True and not true, what's true is that with college totals you will never get the number. I've used Edward for the last 3 years and this year by far was the worst year for trying to get the number, it was impossible plain and simple!
While he says he finished the season up 40 units, well this is true ONLY for him, but not for us. I finished the season + right around 2 units. Try sitting by your computer all season waiting for Edward's count down to hit zero to find out at the end of 5 months that you only made 2 units and spent $750 on his service. Trust me, I tried everything under the sun to get the #, the only place I was beating to the # cut me off after about 1 week. His service is not worth it. (For college totals)
Edward's ability to make money off his own plays is not in question. The question is whether or not the average gambler can make money off of them. Based on this comment and MANY others I have heard the last few years, it isn't a service for most of us. The select few who can get good lines, more power to you. For the other 90%, there seem to be better options.
How is it that the lines are moving unless the books know what the plays are too??? Is he tipping them off, are they paid customers, is he placing his wager first and then giving to clients? There must be a better way to protect the customer from these line moves. Do that and he could increase clients by 1000%.
Anyway, I am guessing that WNBA won't be as big of an issue with line moves like CBB totals.....at least until he has a few years of 60% +.
True and not true, what's true is that with college totals you will never get the number. I've used Edward for the last 3 years and this year by far was the worst year for trying to get the number, it was impossible plain and simple!
While he says he finished the season up 40 units, well this is true ONLY for him, but not for us. I finished the season + right around 2 units. Try sitting by your computer all season waiting for Edward's count down to hit zero to find out at the end of 5 months that you only made 2 units and spent $750 on his service. Trust me, I tried everything under the sun to get the #, the only place I was beating to the # cut me off after about 1 week. His service is not worth it. (For college totals)
Edward's ability to make money off his own plays is not in question. The question is whether or not the average gambler can make money off of them. Based on this comment and MANY others I have heard the last few years, it isn't a service for most of us. The select few who can get good lines, more power to you. For the other 90%, there seem to be better options.
How is it that the lines are moving unless the books know what the plays are too??? Is he tipping them off, are they paid customers, is he placing his wager first and then giving to clients? There must be a better way to protect the customer from these line moves. Do that and he could increase clients by 1000%.
Anyway, I am guessing that WNBA won't be as big of an issue with line moves like CBB totals.....at least until he has a few years of 60% +.
Arizona Bound, not sure if you read my entire response, but I think the answer to this question is still a resounding YES. As I wrote above, 57% of subscribers said they were able to get the lines on totals half of the time or better. So this notion that it is impossible to get the lines just is not true. The people willing to put the time and effort in (having access to multiple accounts, experimenting to find ways to get bets in faster, etc) are the ones who are going to have the best results. I'm not sure what your definition of the average gambler is, but anyone reasonably competent will be profitable from a +40 unit season. Natrually, people who had the worst results (usually short term subscriptions) are ones you will hear from most often in public forums, but I assure you that plenty of people are able to get the release lines or close enough, often enough to be very profitable. This is evidenced by our survey results, growth in subscriptions, and other positive feedback received.
Just to illustrate some of my points in previous posts. We released 272 total plays last season with a full season subscription rate of $749 for an average cost of $2.75 per pick.
+EV per pick with 59% win rate:
$250 bettor = $34.75
$500 bettor = $69.50
So your basically paying $2.75 for the opportunity to make substansially more (depending on your bet amount) on every single pick released. Even if the average gambler is only able to get the release line 1/4 of the time, which my evidence suggests is an extremely conservative estimate, they would still do very well.
Edward
As my last few posts have alluded to, despite the highly time sensitive and competitive nature of the plays, even the average gambler should have profitable results from a subscription.
We regularly provide subscribers with tips and strategies for optimizing results. The new countdown release page is a big upgrade from previous release methods, and we continually encourage all users to use it when possible, but some still do not or can not. Some subscribers may not want to bother with experimenting with different sportsbooks (some move lines faster than others). These two practices alone can significantly impact results. I do not know the exact circumstances of Joe's results as described above. Some bad timing and bad luck would have had to play a role in going from +40 units to +2 units.
I am more than open to hearing recommendations or ideas on how to improve this situation, but competitive line movement is going to come with the territory of following any successful handicapper, particularly when hitting at such high rates in smaller markets.
Edward
Last edited:
Right Angle Sports
I am sorry Edward, this is just NOT TRUE!
"The people willing to put the time and effort in (having access to multiple accounts, experimenting to find ways to get bets in faster, etc) are the ones who are going to have the best results." You say the time and effort and multiple accounts, let me list my accounts, the greek, bet jamaica, top cat sports, bet eagle, macho sports, bookmaker, 5 dimes, bet horizon, and whereyoubet.com. That's 9 spots, how many more do you want me to have? I've put in more time to try and beat the books then any one of your clients, I promise you that! I border-line got obsessed with it!
"but anyone reasonably competent will be profitable from a +40 unit season." I don't really understand this statement, I looked up the word "competent" and the dictionary says it means able or capable, so maybe I'm not able or capable because if you think 1-2 units is profitable then I better just quit right now. I had 18 LOSSES more than you did. So if you take away 18 from 40, you are down to 22 units, now subtract the money you loss (+juice) from the 22 units and you are down to almost ZERO$$$$! This is where I ended up at the end of the season.
"Natrually, people who had the worst results (usually short term subscriptions) are ones you will hear from most often in public forums" This one really gets me, Edward was I a short term subscriber? Let me answer that for you, NO!
"Even if the average gambler is only able to get the release line 1/4 of the time, which my evidence suggests is an extremely conservative estimate, they would still do very well." A quarter of the time is ridiculous, even if you get the # half of the time, out of those 111 losses, maybe those are the times that you get the # and it doesn't even matter because the game loss by 5,6,8 or 10 or more points. Or maybe you get the # on some of those 161 wins that are not decided by 1,2,3 or so points, well then that wouldn't matter either. So your point is irrelevant, please don't sit there and tell us that there's profit in your program if you don't always get the #, that couldn't be further from the truth! Your totals service is all about getting the #. Just look at YOUR end result and then look at MINE, that's the proof!
Sorry Edward, but I have to call it like it is.
I am sorry Edward, this is just NOT TRUE!
"The people willing to put the time and effort in (having access to multiple accounts, experimenting to find ways to get bets in faster, etc) are the ones who are going to have the best results." You say the time and effort and multiple accounts, let me list my accounts, the greek, bet jamaica, top cat sports, bet eagle, macho sports, bookmaker, 5 dimes, bet horizon, and whereyoubet.com. That's 9 spots, how many more do you want me to have? I've put in more time to try and beat the books then any one of your clients, I promise you that! I border-line got obsessed with it!
"but anyone reasonably competent will be profitable from a +40 unit season." I don't really understand this statement, I looked up the word "competent" and the dictionary says it means able or capable, so maybe I'm not able or capable because if you think 1-2 units is profitable then I better just quit right now. I had 18 LOSSES more than you did. So if you take away 18 from 40, you are down to 22 units, now subtract the money you loss (+juice) from the 22 units and you are down to almost ZERO$$$$! This is where I ended up at the end of the season.
"Natrually, people who had the worst results (usually short term subscriptions) are ones you will hear from most often in public forums" This one really gets me, Edward was I a short term subscriber? Let me answer that for you, NO!
"Even if the average gambler is only able to get the release line 1/4 of the time, which my evidence suggests is an extremely conservative estimate, they would still do very well." A quarter of the time is ridiculous, even if you get the # half of the time, out of those 111 losses, maybe those are the times that you get the # and it doesn't even matter because the game loss by 5,6,8 or 10 or more points. Or maybe you get the # on some of those 161 wins that are not decided by 1,2,3 or so points, well then that wouldn't matter either. So your point is irrelevant, please don't sit there and tell us that there's profit in your program if you don't always get the #, that couldn't be further from the truth! Your totals service is all about getting the #. Just look at YOUR end result and then look at MINE, that's the proof!
Sorry Edward, but I have to call it like it is.
I am sorry Joe, but everything I have written absolutely IS TRUE. I have hundreds of subscribers who I have surveyed and get feedback from all of the time. If your results were the norm, then I would be out of business. That is the proof.
Quick question, how did you access the picks? The pick countdown page? Text message? E-mail? If you were unable to use the pick countdown page regularly, that could be a big part of your problem.
The argument in your last paragraph does not make sense. Even if you got the worst line every single time (which must have happened to you if what you are saying is true) you still were +2 units, so clearly if you got the right number 1/4 or 1/2 of the time you would be easily profitable. Whether you got the right line on the right games or not just comes down to luck and variance, maybe all 18 games get reversed, maybe only a few do, but it definitely still matters.
Edward
